BY EVANGELIST J.M.S. TARAWALLIEThere is a great misunderstanding existing on the concept of memorial service. People have left the church for not honouring their request in honouring their dead relatives, and there are ongoing disputes even among men of God over this concept, other say to celebrate while some say not, but the Bible has it all. As Christians, the Bible provides guiding principles that help us to move towards the heavenly standards.

Any Christian ritual must be supported by the Bible, because it has it all, and it is God spoken word.


The Bible is unique and real. It has been tested and still in test, but everyday it passes the test of times. Many people have given their lives for this book, it is the world best book but less read.
Misunderstandings come in Christianity because of our individual understanding and approach to the Bible. The best way to understand this book is by allowing the Holy Spirit to rest in you, and teaches you the real meaning of God‟s thought for His creation (John 14:16; 16:13-14)


Christian doctrines must be divined, not rules taught by men, and a careful obedient to God‟s word brings you understanding more than understanding you can get of your degree.


DEFINITION OF TERMS:
Terms are defined in the context of this article:
1- MOURN: to feel and show sadness because somebody has died.
2- MEMORIAL: something that is intended to remind people of a person who has died.
3- DEAD: having passed from the living state to being no longer alive.
4- SERVICE: a specific religious ritual that is performed according to a prescribed form.
5- MEMORIAL SERVICE: a specific ritual performs which is intended to remind people of a person who has died. (Is there any prescribed form in the Bible about this event?)

MISCONCEPTIONS:
A- GENESIS 50:1-6 these Biblical texts have been used and still being use by people to support the celebration of memorial service: (Ge 50:1 Joseph threw himself upon his father and wept over him and kissed him. Ge 50:2 Then Joseph directed the physicians in his service to embalm his father Israel. So the physicians embalmed him, Ge 50:3 taking a full forty days, for that was the time required for embalming. And the Egyptians mourned for him seventy days. Ge 50:4 when the days of mourning had passed, Joseph said to Pharaoh‟s court, “If I have found favor in your eyes, speaks to Pharaoh for me. Tell him, Ge 50:5 „my father made me swear an oath and said, “I am about to die; bury me in the tomb I dug for myself in the land of Canaan.” Now let me go up and bury my father; then I will return.‟ ” Ge 50:6 Pharaoh said, “Go up and bury your father, as he made you swear to do.”)Egyptians were well known in their scientific practices. According to the text, verse 3, the process of the embalming took forty days (not only because he died in Egypt, and that was the manner of the Egyptians, but because he was to be carried to Canaan, which would be a work of time, and therefore it was necessary the body should be preserved as well as it might be from putrefaction – see Matthew Henry‟s note). The next exercise in this verse is Egyptians mourned. Were these seventy days mourning separated from the forty days embalming?


According to the definition of mourning, that is to feel and show sadness because somebody has died, so the 40 days of embalming were inclusive to the seventy days mourning, because the mourners start to show sadness from the day one of the dead.


A great concern over this verse is that, why the writer wrote "Egyptians mourned‟ instead of the Israelites mourned? This is because the exercise is of an Egyptian custom (they either confined themselves and sat solitary, or when they went out, appeared in the habit of close mourners, according to the decent custom of the country – see Matthew Henry‟s note) to mourn for a long period due to their ability to preserve the dead for a long time.


From Adam, the exercise of mourning was recorded with Abraham (Gen. 23:2). It might be he learned this from Egypt, because he had been to Egypt before the death of Sarah (Genesis 12:10). Failing to mention the period Abraham took to mourn for his wife is an indicator of a short period due to his inability to preserve her as compare to the Egyptians mourned for Jacob.
However, both Abraham mourning for Sarah, and the Egyptians mourning for Jacob took place before the burial. Why should this be grounds for memorial service to me conducted in the church?
The church has nothing against a family for preserving her dead relatives (as long as the preservation is well done), and during the period of preservation to mourn while waiting for proper arrangement to bury the decease. Even within this period, it is obligatory to the pastor to pay regular visits to the family to console them.


GENESIS 50:10 (Ge 50:10 When they reached the threshing floor of Atad, near the Jordan, they lamented loudly and bitterly; and there Joseph observed a seven-day period of mourning for his father). This is another period of mourning (seven day mourning), was this a seven day after burial? According to the immediate perpetual conjunction (a simultaneous occurrence of events) “they lamented loudly and bitterly; and there Joseph observed a seven-day period of mourning.” It shows that immediately when they reached at Atad, the lamentation and Joseph mourning were done together before the burial. Though someone may uses verse 13 (“They carried him to the land of Canaan and buried him in the cave in the field of Machpelah, near Mamre, which Abraham had bought as a burial place from Ephron the Hittite, along with the field”) to support this fact, because it comes after verse 10. However, it is not substantial, because this verse may be considered as a summary of event before this 7 day morning. But does this be grounds for conducting a memorial service in the church? No!


B- DEUTRONOMY 34:8 (The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over). Had it been Moses died in the hands of the Israelites, the thirty days of mourning and weeping should have taken place before the burial as the borrowed custom demands, as we have read from the preceding verses that talked about mourning. The Israelites had not the dead Moses in their possession to bury him, and to mourn has been part of their custom they borrowed from the Egyptians, so they need to mourn and weep for him though been buried. When the Israelites left Egypt, they did not only borrow the Egyptians‟ silver and gold jewelry (Exo. 12:35-36), but they also borrowed the Egyptians‟ cultural practices (Lev. 18:1-5), so we must be careful in accepting what we read from the Bible about Israelites‟ attitude. “But the Israelites did it”.

Before the death of Moses there were priests (Lev. 8,9), and there were built sanctuaries (Lev. 27:3), but why no temple or church service to remember Moses after 30 days, or 40 days, or one year after burial? Simple, it was not part of the cultural practices for the death, neither Biblically warranted.


Why church members are forcing the church to conduct a memorial service for their dead relatives when nothing like this happen in the Bible among God‟s people? The Bible makes it pretty clear that “Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. Ecc 9:6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part


in anything that happens under the sun.” Ecc. 9:10 “ Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.”


ADVENTISTS MUST SAY NO TO MEMORIAL SERVICE; AGREE OR NOT?
It is true that mourn is from an old English „mouran.‟ Ultimately from Ido-European base meaning „to remember,‟ which is also the ancestor of English remember and memory.


It is not bad to mourn (to express sadness for the lost of someone) while the dead body is with us; before burial, because we even have to church the decease, but after the burial must there be a memorial service? Well let the Scripture answers;


PSALM 31:12 - Psalm 31 is a Davidic psalm plea for protection from God. He was surrounded by wicked people, but our main concern is the comparison he made with the state of the dead in verse 12 „I am forgotten as a dead man out of mind: I am like a broken vessel.’ This clearly shows that the dead has no portion in the memory of people. He is not consulted in anything, neither has he/she consulted.


Should people don't think about their loved dead? It is hard to forget our loved ones who are dead.The concern of this article is, to gather people and celebrate the death of someone been buried is a waste of resources. Why the resources intended to be used should not be given to the decease relatives he/she had left behind?


PSALM 6:5 "No one remembers you when he is dead. Who praises you from the grave?‟ If the dead cannot remember God, how can they receive additional punishment, or reward in the grave? Then if they cannot receive reward or punishment in the grave why should we pray for them? This is biblical ignorance.


Friends, whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your strength while you are alive. Don‟t wait people to pray for you while you are in the grave, it will not work, because there is nothing in the grave to change you (Ecc 9:10). You died a perished sinner you remain in the grave a perished sinner until Jesus come. The Holy Spirit is with us in the world while we are alive to; convert, teach, direct and so on, but once you die you remain in the grave as you have gone there till Christ‟s Parousia.


NO HOPE, NO REWARD FOR THE DEAD;Ecc 9:4-6 "For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun.‟ It does not take theology to understand that if the dead have no hope and reward memorial service is just a waste of resources and addition of sin to the left family, because during this occasion people drink and become drunk, even fornicate, and do a lot of evil things. One thing I want to understand is that what impact does memorial service has to the dead? Nobody has told me and cannot tell me because there is no impact. Whatever thing is done under the sun, the dead has no portion of it, and so memorial service is provoking the dead. Friends, we need to leave the dead people to rest.

THE DEAD HAS NO PORTION IN HIS/HER HOME:
JOB 7:9-10 „As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so he who goes down to the grave does not return. He will never come to his house again; his place will know him no more.‟ If there is life in the grave, then the dead has portion in his/her home. The above texts show that the dead is gone and vanished. He/she can never return in his/her home, and has no power over what he/she has left behind. He/she is not known any more (Job 7:10).
CAN THE DEAD ACT OR RE-ACT?
The dead cannot act, nor re-act, because he/she does not know anything that is happening. Even if he/she is honored, or his/her sons are honored, or brought low (Job 14:21- „If his sons are honored, he does not know it; if they are brought low, he does not see it‟).
CAN MAN DO ANYTHING FOR THE DEAD TO SURVIVE?
Absolutely no! Man does not has the power to bring alive the dead from the graves, neither to intercede for them. The power to do that lies on our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. (John 5:25-29). “A time will come when the dead will hear the Lord Jesus Christ‟s voice and resurrect,” but how can the dead know the master‟s voice? They can know it, because it was familiar to them when they were alive (John5:24).


Lazarus recognized the master‟s voice in the tomb, because he has walked, talked and lived with Him when alive. It is an opportunity for you while you are still living to; walk, talk and live with the Lord Jesus Christ, so that when that big day of the first resurrection comes the Master‟s voice will not be strange to you (1Thes. 4:13-17)
Some will not take part in the first resurrection, because the master‟s voice will be strange to them.
Jesus says; „My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand‟ (John 10:27-28)Friends, if you believe in Jesus, though dead will bring you into eternal life (John 11:25-26). No man can do anything to change the perished dead, and no amount of money can bring a perished soul to eternal life, if not so then the rich people will not perish, because their riches will be means to get them salvation (1Ti 6:18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.


1Ti 6:19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.


WHY PURGATORY?
HAA! HAA! PURGATORY! This is a doctrine implemented to raise money, because without it how can the sales of indulgences exist?
PURGATORY: A doctrine that teaches that there is a place in which the souls remain until they have expiated their sins before they go to heaven. This place is known to be extremely uncomfortable, painful, or unpleasant. The question is where is this place? Is it in the grave? No, because there is no life and action in the grave. Is it between the grave and the heavens? I cannot tell, because the Bible does not tell anything as such.


INDULGENCE: Remission of punishment for sin, a grant of partial remission of time to be spent in purgatory, or of some other consequences of a sin. In the middle ages, a practice of selling indulgence grew up.
By reasonable analysis of purgatory and indulgence, the dead can also be rewarded on their behalf (Ecc. 9:5).
There is nothing a man of God can do for you to get salvation, rather than preaching the good news of Christ to you, and nothing else you can do, but to live by faith (Rom. 1:17).


Friends, conducting memorial services, praying for the dead to be forgiven means we are compromising with the doctrine of purgatory. Don‟t wait to die and expect people to pray for you to receive salvation. This is salvific suicide. Now is the accepted time ( 2Cor.6:1-2).
As Christians, our focal assignment is to know the truth, because we want to be freed (John 8:32), and to obey God rather than man (Act 5: 29)
„Things that the world, or our culture and our society might view as fine, as normal, as just the way things are, could be precisely what the Bible condemns as wrong, sinful, even evil.‟ (Adult Sabbath Sch, „Worship‟ the Gospel in Galatians- August 14 „in different Eyes‟).


WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THE DEAD?
Ecc. 6:3-4 „A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he. It comes without meaning, it departs in darkness, and in darkness its name is shrouded.‟The best we can do for the dead is to give them proper burial.
“Don‟t move by sentiments, neither by cultural practices which are against the standard of the Bible, but search the Scripture for what you should accept.” (Joseph M. S. Tarawallie).


SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE NOTHING LIKE MEMORIAL SERVICE.THE CHURCH UPHOLDS THE BIBLE AS THE ONLY RULE OF LIVE, BECAUSE IT IS GOD‟S THOUGHT FOR THE HUMAN RACE. THE CHURCH HAS NOTHING ELSE TO RULE HER MEMBERS, BUT THE BIBLE, AND EVERY AUTHORITY, GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND PRACTICES MUST HAVE THEIR ROOT FROM THE BIBLE. ANY AUTHORITY THAT DISAGREES WITH THE SCRIPTURE, SUCH AUTHORITY MUST BE DENIED BY THE CHURCH.



 


Comments

03/30/2012 09:35

I am newly joined to SDAa Church in Northampton.England. The Lord lled me there seven months ago. My old church which was pentecostal invited me to attend a memorial service of someone I knew, but I had to check it out if it is biblical, and I found this website. Thank God who is protecting me from false practices. He has given me His light in His Word. Thank you very much. Elvida

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05/02/2012 16:01

Thanks for your thoughfull comment on the notion of memorial service. I think i have a problem with your understanding of something that is biblical. For something to be biblical it does not mean that is it is written,rather it means to be in keeping with the central message of the bible. You will never find a thou shall conduct a memorial service rather the most important question is- does a memorial service contradict our understanding of the state of the dead? does it enhance the biblical understanding of hope. The seventh day adventist respect cultural practices that do not contradict the central message of the bible. That the principle to value every cultural practice.

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OLIVER KALU
06/26/2012 11:23

what a powerful information, thank you sir and may God bless you
this is why i am going through persecution because i refuse to join the family for their so called memorial service , sir you have really encouraged me by this wonderful note, thank you

G Lupondo
08/25/2012 19:39

I support your comment that cultural practices that are not against the bible are not a problem. The writer talks about Jacob's, Moses and others' death and the mourning
that occurred after his death. The process was Egyptians culture, but the bible does not say that this was against God's will. The fact remains that there were mourning the dead even for further seven days. Ecc 9:5 talks about the dead that there know nothing. The memorial is for the living not the dead, it's meant to comfort those who have lost their loved ones to grieve with hope. You seem to be justifying the tradition of bringing the body of the dead in to the church by saying it's because there are not yet buried. The fact remains that there are dead, so they should be then left to the dead. Bringing the body to church is a tradition that is not biblical just as the memorial service is a tradition that's not biblical but not against any biblical principle and wasting resources can not be the reason why people should not do it.

june
02/06/2013 04:43

Just to let you know Elvida even though Pentecostals have Memorial Services it is just in memory of the person who has passed away. We do not pray for salvation or peace for the soul And definetely we Pentecostals follow the Bible closely and having a Memorial Service is not a false practice though may not be biblical too. Our beliefs are straight from the Living Word of God.

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Cassandra
02/02/2014 14:37

So then you shouldn't be having a service for the dead period cause if your playing it close to the bible that is not a part of our practices I'm also Pentecostal and it took me so long to see many things that our church was doing was not in the ways of the lord dont be mislead by traditions and emotions let the holy spirit guide you and really read the bible yourself

Grace
03/10/2014 23:25

this article does not prove that memorial services are wrong. the best it has done is to prove that a memorial services previous to a person burial comes from an Egyptian culture and and that the Israelites had a memorial /. Of mourning for Moses after his burial simply due to the fact that they had no control over where he would be buried. there's no spiritual connection here in his article that states it is wrong to have a memorial service preceding are postceeding the death of an individual. And Elivda, I hope to god you did not leave a Pentecostal church based on this article, what you saw at that memorial service, and just a few simple things like that.

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06/29/2012 10:26

I also think a memorial service is a waste of resources. I believe we should not borrow pagan practices at all.

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Micheal
07/03/2012 23:42

Am blessed by this article. keep it up Mr author

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PETER JACK
10/15/2012 15:19

LET US DONT MISS THE POINT OF THE WRITER. HIS CONCERN IS AGAINST TO CONDUCT CHURCH SERVICE IN THE NAME OF MEMORIAL SERVICE. THE WRITER CONCERN IS NOT MOURNING, BUT MEMORIAL SERVICE.
MR AUTHOR CONGRATULATION KEEP IT UP. INDEED AM BLESSED WITH THIS ARTICLE

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08/19/2012 08:46

Anyone know where I can find more information?

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08/19/2012 16:05

thank you and God bless you for such winderful Biblical support from the Word of God. I am growing as an Adventist Christian by studying tthe Bible in grops at church and by my own time. I am now a year old adventist Christian and a 70 year old person, by God's grace I am growing in Him. Thank and God bless all who have commented. We have a living God leading us by HIS Word. God bless you.Elvida

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Esther Hlongwane
08/20/2012 12:45

I have a question: why are we SDA conducting funeral services in our local churches as the scriptures confirm that the dead are unclean, why then bring the corpses inside the very temple we claim to be holy? is this some of the egyptians culture that the church inherited?

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CATHERINE
10/15/2012 15:12

CONGRATULATION MR AUTHOR. I AM IMPRESSED OVER YOUR ARTICLES. CAN YOU KINDLY HELP ME TO GET YOUR E-MAIL.
PLEASE HELP ME ARE YOU A THEOLOGIAN.

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10/25/2012 14:59

John8 vs.31-32 ,"...if you continue in my word then you are my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".Thanks for your strengthening article.My father died recently and a memorial service for him will be conducted in the next 48 hours but i have decided to stand for the truth because it is better to please God rather than men.I know i shall face isolation and condemnation from some relatives but i know "if God be for us who can be against me?"

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Joy Soft
11/02/2012 07:25

My parents are roman catholic and will be doing a church service in memory of the dead for my dead 3year old niece this weekend. they will get flowers and blessed holy water to lay at the grave. Iss it the same as memorial service. Please help as i would not want to take part in anything that Gos does not approve of

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JOSEPH
03/07/2013 18:39

ANY ACT BEHINH THE DEAD AND FOR THE DEAD IS A WASTE AND MEANINGLESS. STAY FOR THE TRUTH, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SET YOU FREE

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Greg
12/19/2012 04:22

Seventh day Adventist is a lie.
Check your bible as you claim,and don't believe Ellen white.

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Margaret
03/28/2014 01:00

Seventh Day Adventist are not liars. Take your bible and slowly read it. We are supposed to keep the Sabbath Day Holy!!!. Also, Ellen G. White was a prophetess. Read her books, you can tell she walked with God and was given those revelations. I'll pray for you.

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june alice
02/05/2013 04:58

As Believers in Jesus Christ we can have a Memorial Service for a loved one but definitely not pray for the soul because it will not be of any use. However we can speak about the person in his/her memory that is why it is called Memorial Service.

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Patmali Di'srael
07/14/2014 09:46

Friends, those who are supporting conducting memorial service only prove that thay are carnal and out of touch with biblical teachings/doctrines. They simply are not born-again. Can you imagine somebody engaging in any activity that evokes the thoughts about a deceased person? That you just want to talk about the deceased even if no prayers are made for the dead/ I think that is the highest mark of ignorance, foolishness and thoughtlessness. God's word tell us in Heb 9:27-"But as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgement". Thus, once one is dead,m the rest rests with God, who'll judge the individual-whether you talk good/bad about the dead yo are simply wasting time. Yes, just a waste of time!
Once you've mourned the dead and given them a befitting, decent burial, go your way and think not of coming back/gathering people for a memorial.
Ec 11:9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

( Rejoice-Indulge thy humour, and take thy fill of delights. And walk-Whatsoever thine eye or heart lusteth after, deny it not to them. But know-But in the midst of thy jollity consider thy reckoning.).
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

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Patmali
07/15/2014 06:38

Friends, those who are supporting conducting memorial services only prove that they are carnal and out of touch with biblical teachings/doctrines. They simply are not born-again. Can you imagine somebody engaging in any activity that evokes the thoughts about a deceased person? That you just want to talk about the deceased even if no prayers are made for the dead/ I think that is the highest mark of ignorance, foolishness and thoughtlessness. God's word tell us in Heb 9:27-"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgement". Thus, once one is dead,m the rest rests with God, who'll judge the individual-whether you talk good/bad about the dead yo are simply wasting time. Yes, just a waste of time!
Once you've mourned the dead and given them a befitting, decent burial, go your way and think not of coming back/gathering people for a memorial.
Eccl 11:9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

( Rejoice-Indulge thy humour, and take thy fill of delights. And walk-Whatsoever thine eye or heart lusteth after, deny it not to them. But know-But in the midst of thy jollity consider thy reckoning.).
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

Patmali
07/15/2014 06:38

Friends, those who are supporting conducting memorial services only prove that they are carnal and out of touch with biblical teachings/doctrines. They simply are not born-again. Can you imagine somebody engaging in any activity that evokes the thoughts about a deceased person? That you just want to talk about the deceased even if no prayers are made for the dead/ I think that is the highest mark of ignorance, foolishness and thoughtlessness. God's word tell us in Heb 9:27-"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgement". Thus, once one is dead,m the rest rests with God, who'll judge the individual-whether you talk good/bad about the dead yo are simply wasting time. Yes, just a waste of time!
Once you've mourned the dead and given them a befitting, decent burial, go your way and think not of coming back/gathering people for a memorial.
Eccl 11:9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

( Rejoice-Indulge thy humour, and take thy fill of delights. And walk-Whatsoever thine eye or heart lusteth after, deny it not to them. But know-But in the midst of thy jollity consider thy reckoning.).
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

Patmali
07/15/2014 06:38

Friends, those who are supporting conducting memorial services only prove that they are carnal and out of touch with biblical teachings/doctrines. They simply are not born-again. Can you imagine somebody engaging in any activity that evokes the thoughts about a deceased person? That you just want to talk about the deceased even if no prayers are made for the dead/ I think that is the highest mark of ignorance, foolishness and thoughtlessness. God's word tell us in Heb 9:27-"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgement". Thus, once one is dead,m the rest rests with God, who'll judge the individual-whether you talk good/bad about the dead yo are simply wasting time. Yes, just a waste of time!
Once you've mourned the dead and given them a befitting, decent burial, go your way and think not of coming back/gathering people for a memorial.
Eccl 11:9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

( Rejoice-Indulge thy humour, and take thy fill of delights. And walk-Whatsoever thine eye or heart lusteth after, deny it not to them. But know-But in the midst of thy jollity consider thy reckoning.).
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

PAUL
07/17/2013 03:38

HE IS DEAD. SPEAKING ABOUT HIM MEANS WHAT? READ ECCLESIASTES 9:4-6

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Jotham
07/27/2013 19:25

Truely the corpse brought to church its pagan practice,

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marie
07/30/2013 04:42

Originating from Egypt does not automatically means evil: Moses borrowed Egyptian language to write the Torah, God borrowed Egyptian language and Egyptian script to write the tablets of the 10 commandments, language which will later be known as Hebrew language as the Hebrew adopted it as their language after spending430 years in Egypt. Without further commentary, show me where in the bible a funeral service was conducted in the church temple with the corpse inside. Should we do just half of the bible and feel good and justified about it or all the bible?m

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ernest vandi
08/02/2013 12:47

I am so please with this beautiful stuff. it so so enlighting. I believe many people will save their worries by knowing what memorial service mean.

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Mark
10/02/2013 10:34

Memorial Services doesnt contradict any pinciples of the Bible. Does no harm in practicing it. Its for the living who needs comfort. Not for the dead who is now nothing.

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Dcn. Cleve
03/07/2014 18:13

I just hear from a pentecostal member that Memorial service is not allowed by her pastor in NY, we just had one at our church, the 1st in 14 years! So I asked the group and then came to this page. Love the comments. I shared that in the Big Picture mentality, in the death of our beloved sister, SOULS can won, I believe death and memorial services serves as reminders to us especially should make us ask what impact we have on others as we LIVE! Though everything may not line up to scriptures for this event..is everthing really in line where we fellowship? I say keep the memorials win souls by it. We all should be about our Father's business - Enlarging Gods’ Kingdom,
Transforming lives & Making of Disciples
(Luke 4:18 –19 & Isaiah 61:1)

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Derek
06/11/2014 12:34

I was beginning to read, and what totally invalidated the article was, "ANY AUTHORITY THAT DISAGREES WITH THE SCRIPTURE, SUCH AUTHORITY MUST BE DENIED BY THE CHURCH"

This is the problem with Christians. It looks like this is a religious site, and we all know how God feels about denominations and religion over relationship. The most important thing the Bible asks us to do is love. Love Him, love others, love self. Condemning someone will only have us condemned. I have only gotten people to Christ by loving them to Christ. Yes, we can fear them into Christ and hope they snap out of it and have a real relationship, but shame on you for saying such a thing. If you kicked me out of your church for disagreeing with you, I would sue.

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Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 10:06

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

May God have mercy on us!

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Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 10:21

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 10:21

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 10:42

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 10:42

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 10:42

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 11:52

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Magotsi Pat
07/14/2014 11:52

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Patrick
07/14/2014 10:21

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

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Patrick
07/14/2014 10:21

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Reply
Patrick
07/14/2014 10:22

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Reply
Patrick
07/14/2014 10:22

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Reply
Patrick
07/14/2014 10:22

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

Reply
Patrick
07/14/2014 10:23

Derek,
I think that attitude isn't Christian at all! The Bible is the innerant word of God final authority for all true disciples of Jesus Christ; lest you rae merely a church-goer or commuter into religion.

The Bible has doctines and Eternal judgement is one of them. Let's love people as you said while they are living than waste time and resources after they've died all in the name of Memorials. Besides, let's tell people the truths-preach to them the love of God and repentance while thsy still have a will and power to repent/make decision so that when they die, we have assurance that we'll meet them in heaven.
But trying to be a defender of conducting of Memorials is anti-Christianity and proves that you need a second touch.

1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.(cf
1Co 7:17; 14:33; 1Ti 6:4)
God's inspired word tells us that; We have no such custom here, nor any of the other churches of God-The several churches that were in the apostles' time had different customs in things that were not essential; and that under one and the same apostle, as circumstances, in different places, made it convenient. And in all things merely indifferent the custom of each place was of sufficient weight to determine prudent and peaceable men. Yet even this cannot overrule a scrupulous conscience, which really doubts whether the thing be indifferent or no. But those who are referred to here by the apostle were contentious, not conscientious, persons.

May God have mercy on us!

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Gavin
08/11/2014 14:54

As an ordained Elder of the SDA church i do respect your view on memorial service.Should a local congregation hold a memorial service for a pass member as is the cultural practice in a particular country?

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